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It was pretty big news on Monday when Mylar made it's first major release, 1.0 A lot of people have been talking about Mylar as a great example of Eclipse innovation and about how it should simplify our workflow considerably, but how many of us have actually tried it?
I know that I've been using Mylar quite a bit over the last few weeks, and I've seen a lot that I like. It's integration with issue trackers is probably the number one "way to go" on my list. Creating issues directly from stack traces is really nice too. But I've found that there's a lot that I don't use so much. For example, I do use the task focused editor because automating my code folding is really nice, but I don't use it in package explorer. In fact, I wish there was a way I could entirely disable the package explorer Mylar extensions. By contrast, while I don't filter the outline by context, I have found myself taking advantage of the fact that Mylar adjust the font color and emphasis of the text in the outline contextually. That's pretty cool.
I think the thing I wish Mylar had more of was customization. I mean, there's so much power there, but it's all custom fit for a very specific workflow environment. I'd like to choose various bits and bobs that I want to integrate into my workflow and throw out the rest. Maybe I could do that by hacking the plugin (who knows, maybe there's a "Tips and Tricks" on the horizon), but that seems like too much trouble. Still, for a fledgling tool, this is some great stuff.
So, is anyone else using Mylar yet? If so, what do you think of it? Am I the only one wanting to nominate Mik Kersten and his team for the award for extreme cleverness?
Of the features, I'm using the Package Explorer filtering less than I thought I would. Some things become uninteresting too quickly for me and also because Alt-Click doesn't work well -- maybe because I'm actually using the J2EE Tools Project Explorer, not the standard Package Explorer. I should file a bug report about this.
> So, is anyone else using Mylar yet? If so, what do you think of
> it? Am I the only one wanting to nominate Mik Kersten and his
> team for the award for extreme cleverness?
No, you're not the only one I don't want to diminish the great work that the rest of the team has done, but I think Mik's leadership has been a key factor in how well Mylar has progressed, rhythmically, according to The Eclipse Way.
I think that filtering in Package Explorer is one of the most useful thing in Mylar. You'll learn to appreciate it when you'll have few dozens projects in your workspace and each of those projects would have hundreds if not thousands classes...
> No, you're not the only one I don't want to
> diminish the great work that the rest of the team has
> done, but I think Mik's leadership has been a key
> factor in how well Mylar has progressed,
> rhythmically, according to The Eclipse Way.
I should meditate more on this "Eclipse Way" you speak of. I seek true enlightenment.
> I think that filtering in Package Explorer is one of
> the most useful thing in Mylar. You'll learn to
> appreciate it when you'll have few dozens projects in
> your workspace and each of those projects would have
> hundreds if not thousands classes...
Oh, I do have that size of a workspace. In fact, I figured that Mylar would be most useful in that context (no pun intended) so that's what I've been testing it on. If anything, the contextual Package Explorer has slowed me down.
I think this is a learning phase you will have to get over. When I started out using Mylar I had the same problems as you do and I changed the way I worked with Eclipse since then considerably.
I got rid of the outline view. At first it was only a fastview but now a days I don't even open it anymore. Instead I use quick outline (CTRL+O).
I use CTRL+SHIFT+T to open resources thus I do not have any need for ALT+CLICK in Package Explorer. When I do Browsing I simply disable the Mylar filter (which happens rarley)
In some special cases I use the ALT+CLICK but I find it to be a littel annoying although I do not know what it is exactly that annoys me. When I'm able to put my finger on it I surley will open a bugreport for it.
I use the standard navigator without Mylar filtering to skip across projects when needed and open resources. And same as you (only that I'm more interested in the navigator then the packageexplorer) I would love to have the Mylar Filter stay unselected in the navigator view even when switching tasks. Maybe I should file an enhancement request or betteryet patch Mylar to do it for me. So much to do so little time What I'm missing is a way to tweak the degree of interest and how that degree decays. In some cases I find the decay to slow and in other cases the resources dissapear to fast but I do not want to mark them as landmarks.
All in all I find Mylar the best thing to happen to developement for quite some time and I can't even imagine working without a task anymore.
As a matter of interest, what perspective do you use? I'm guessing the Java perspective. Myself, I use the Java Browsing perspective which I find absolutely fine for navigating through thousands of classes in tens of packages.
> I would love to have the Mylar Filter stay unselected in the navigator view even when switching tasks.
This is already an option. See preferences Mylar > Context "Toggle Focus...". There is definitely room for more tweaking but as it is Mylar already does a great job for me. I also can't imagine working without it, it improves my productivity a lot and just makes it easier to keep track of things.
> As a matter of interest, what perspective do you use?
> I'm guessing the Java perspective. Myself, I use the
> Java Browsing perspective which I find absolutely
> fine for navigating through thousands of classes in
> tens of packages.
>
> Alex.
That brings up something else of interest: how well does Mylar fit into the Java Browsing perspective?
Applying Mylar
URL: Mylar
At 6:16 PM on Dec 13, 2006, Daniel Spiewak
wrote:
I know that I've been using Mylar quite a bit over the last few weeks, and I've seen a lot that I like. It's integration with issue trackers is probably the number one "way to go" on my list. Creating issues directly from stack traces is really nice too. But I've found that there's a lot that I don't use so much. For example, I do use the task focused editor because automating my code folding is really nice, but I don't use it in package explorer. In fact, I wish there was a way I could entirely disable the package explorer Mylar extensions. By contrast, while I don't filter the outline by context, I have found myself taking advantage of the fact that Mylar adjust the font color and emphasis of the text in the outline contextually. That's pretty cool.
I think the thing I wish Mylar had more of was customization. I mean, there's so much power there, but it's all custom fit for a very specific workflow environment. I'd like to choose various bits and bobs that I want to integrate into my workflow and throw out the rest. Maybe I could do that by hacking the plugin (who knows, maybe there's a "Tips and Tricks" on the horizon), but that seems like too much trouble. Still, for a fledgling tool, this is some great stuff.
So, is anyone else using Mylar yet? If so, what do you think of it? Am I the only one wanting to nominate Mik Kersten and his team for the award for extreme cleverness?
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Re: Applying Mylar
Of the features, I'm using the Package Explorer filtering less than I thought I would. Some things become uninteresting too quickly for me and also because Alt-Click doesn't work well -- maybe because I'm actually using the J2EE Tools Project Explorer, not the standard Package Explorer. I should file a bug report about this.> So, is anyone else using Mylar yet? If so, what do you think of
> it? Am I the only one wanting to nominate Mik Kersten and his
> team for the award for extreme cleverness?
No, you're not the only one
Re: Applying Mylar
I think that filtering in Package Explorer is one of the most useful thing in Mylar. You'll learn to appreciate it when you'll have few dozens projects in your workspace and each of those projects would have hundreds if not thousands classes...Re: Applying Mylar
> No, you're not the only one> diminish the great work that the rest of the team has
> done, but I think Mik's leadership has been a key
> factor in how well Mylar has progressed,
> rhythmically, according to The Eclipse Way.
I should meditate more on this "Eclipse Way" you speak of. I seek true enlightenment.
ActiveObjects: an Easier Java ORM; Fuse: Resource Injection for Java
Re: Applying Mylar
> I think that filtering in Package Explorer is one of> the most useful thing in Mylar. You'll learn to
> appreciate it when you'll have few dozens projects in
> your workspace and each of those projects would have
> hundreds if not thousands classes...
Oh, I do have that size of a workspace. In fact, I figured that Mylar would be most useful in that context (no pun intended) so that's what I've been testing it on. If anything, the contextual Package Explorer has slowed me down.
ActiveObjects: an Easier Java ORM; Fuse: Resource Injection for Java
Re: Applying Mylar
I think this is a learning phase you will have to get over. When I started out using Mylar I had the same problems as you do and I changed the way I worked with Eclipse since then considerably.I got rid of the outline view. At first it was only a fastview but now a days I don't even open it anymore. Instead I use quick outline (CTRL+O).
I use CTRL+SHIFT+T to open resources thus I do not have any need for ALT+CLICK in Package Explorer. When I do Browsing I simply disable the Mylar filter (which happens rarley)
In some special cases I use the ALT+CLICK but I find it to be a littel annoying although I do not know what it is exactly that annoys me. When I'm able to put my finger on it I surley will open a bugreport for it.
I use the standard navigator without Mylar filtering to skip across projects when needed and open resources. And same as you (only that I'm more interested in the navigator then the packageexplorer) I would love to have the Mylar Filter stay unselected in the navigator view even when switching tasks. Maybe I should file an enhancement request or betteryet patch Mylar to do it for me. So much to do so little time
What I'm missing is a way to tweak the degree of interest and how that degree decays. In some cases I find the decay to slow and in other cases the resources dissapear to fast but I do not want to mark them as landmarks.
All in all I find Mylar the best thing to happen to developement for quite some time and I can't even imagine working without a task anymore.
Re: Applying Mylar
As a matter of interest, what perspective do you use? I'm guessing the Java perspective. Myself, I use the Java Browsing perspective which I find absolutely fine for navigating through thousands of classes in tens of packages.Alex.
Re: Applying Mylar
> I would love to have the Mylar Filter stay unselected in the navigator view even when switching tasks.This is already an option. See preferences Mylar > Context "Toggle Focus...". There is definitely room for more tweaking but as it is Mylar already does a great job for me. I also can't imagine working without it, it improves my productivity a lot and just makes it easier to keep track of things.
Re: Applying Mylar
> As a matter of interest, what perspective do you use?> I'm guessing the Java perspective. Myself, I use the
> Java Browsing perspective which I find absolutely
> fine for navigating through thousands of classes in
> tens of packages.
>
> Alex.
That brings up something else of interest: how well does Mylar fit into the Java Browsing perspective?
ActiveObjects: an Easier Java ORM; Fuse: Resource Injection for Java
Re: Applying Mylar
According to this article, it claims to work:http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/java/library/j-mylar2/#N10125
However, I've not used Mylar yet (it's on my TODO list) so I'll let you know once it's there.
Alex.